Epoc Fitness Forum


Go Back   Epoc Fitness Forum > Epoc Fitness - General Fitness > Weight Lifting - Men

Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 03-08-2007, 07:59 PM
SuperDooperman SuperDooperman is offline
Under Construction
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: HOUSTON
Posts: 42
SuperDooperman is on a distinguished road
Default Lets talk about Knee Wrapping / How much do you leg press

When do you know it is time to start wrapping your nees ?

Also how much do you weigh and leg press ?

How much do you squat ?

(for the above two questions describe your routine on that station, ex 4 sets 1 warmup and ease up to higher weight is what i do)

And why would or wouldn't you wrap your knees ?


Me: I weigh 234
5'11
leg press 805 on my last set
squat i am not going for weight rather technique but i do like 275
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 03-08-2007, 08:17 PM
Sportsmedjosh's Avatar
Sportsmedjosh Sportsmedjosh is offline
Administrator
Administrator
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,583
Sportsmedjosh has disabled reputation
Default

Do you have any orthopedic injuries or any discomfort while performing the exercise?
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 03-08-2007, 09:23 PM
SuperDooperman SuperDooperman is offline
Under Construction
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: HOUSTON
Posts: 42
SuperDooperman is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sportsmedjosh View Post
Do you have any orthopedic injuries or any discomfort while performing the exercise?
no, not really ... I feel a little uneven but thats my lower back
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 03-08-2007, 10:25 PM
Sportsmedjosh's Avatar
Sportsmedjosh Sportsmedjosh is offline
Administrator
Administrator
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,583
Sportsmedjosh has disabled reputation
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperDooperman View Post
no, not really ... I feel a little uneven but thats my lower back
When do you feel unever. I'm not a big fan on wraping. How is your core strength.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 03-08-2007, 10:36 PM
SuperDooperman SuperDooperman is offline
Under Construction
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: HOUSTON
Posts: 42
SuperDooperman is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sportsmedjosh View Post
When do you feel unever. I'm not a big fan on wraping. How is your core strength.
i have hard fatty/large abs towards the top but the bottom is a tire ... i think my lower back is really really weak .. I can barely walk after deadlifts day so i stopped doing them
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 03-08-2007, 10:39 PM
Sportsmedjosh's Avatar
Sportsmedjosh Sportsmedjosh is offline
Administrator
Administrator
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,583
Sportsmedjosh has disabled reputation
Default

I would suggest really looking to improve overall condition before even thinking about wrapping your knees.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 03-09-2007, 09:55 PM
SuperDooperman SuperDooperman is offline
Under Construction
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: HOUSTON
Posts: 42
SuperDooperman is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sportsmedjosh View Post
I would suggest really looking to improve overall condition before even thinking about wrapping your knees.
I am ok as far as body tone etc. I carry my weight very well, i have thick thighs and strong calves ... I just was "warned" by possibly jealous members at the gym that they don't pump that much because they dont want to hurt their knees. I just wanted to know if it is highly recomended to wrap knees by someone with knowledge in this area.

I exagerated with the tire comment .. its more of a bicycle tire and my abs arent too fatty
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 03-10-2007, 01:55 AM
Sportsmedjosh's Avatar
Sportsmedjosh Sportsmedjosh is offline
Administrator
Administrator
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,583
Sportsmedjosh has disabled reputation
Default

I'm take the side of caution on all exercises and instead of going heavy focus on the eccentric contractions of exercise really focusing on proper form. The way I see if if your not a comp power lifter their really isn't a need to go so heavy where you would need to wrap your knees. Also properception will be diminished while having your knees wraped at least that is my opinion and I really haven't read to much research regarding the implications of wraping knees.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 03-10-2007, 04:24 PM
SuperDooperman SuperDooperman is offline
Under Construction
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: HOUSTON
Posts: 42
SuperDooperman is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sportsmedjosh View Post
I'm take the side of caution on all exercises and instead of going heavy focus on the eccentric contractions of exercise really focusing on proper form. The way I see if if your not a comp power lifter their really isn't a need to go so heavy where you would need to wrap your knees. Also properception will be diminished while having your knees wraped at least that is my opinion and I really haven't read to much research regarding the implications of wraping knees.
Properception ?


Well i worked out my legs last night, really went low with lower weight and focused on keeping my lower back down on the seat and pushing and breathing and i didnt go up to 800 lbs i stuck around the 500-700 range and it felt better, i didnt feel that overwhelming pressure and almost did the same weight
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 03-10-2007, 05:01 PM
Sportsmedjosh's Avatar
Sportsmedjosh Sportsmedjosh is offline
Administrator
Administrator
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,583
Sportsmedjosh has disabled reputation
Default

Glad you had sucess. I usually notice when i go into the gym that a lot of individuals, especially those who want to get big or or have just big arms and lack a lot of over all fitness tend to have horrible form. You might have noticed this as well. I'm talking about the guys who do the leg presses put on as much weight as they can find and then start off by putting their hands on their knees to assit with every rep in all the sets performed. A few people might not see a problem with this but lets look at the exercise that is being performed and what muscle group is being worked. Aiding with your hands is not really beneficial to you legs why, because your legs are not doing all the work, if you are unable to perform an exercise properly with the amount of weight being used its to heavy, simple as that. In your case it was a matter of knee pain and hopefully you find that your recovery time is also quicker.

You might also see the same thing is people doing bicep curl in which they arm their back and swing their shoulder. They are no longer isolating the bicep but instead aiding with other groups of muscles.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 03-10-2007, 09:31 PM
SuperDooperman SuperDooperman is offline
Under Construction
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: HOUSTON
Posts: 42
SuperDooperman is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sportsmedjosh View Post
Glad you had sucess. I usually notice when i go into the gym that a lot of individuals, especially those who want to get big or or have just big arms and lack a lot of over all fitness tend to have horrible form. You might have noticed this as well. I'm talking about the guys who do the leg presses put on as much weight as they can find and then start off by putting their hands on their knees to assit with every rep in all the sets performed. A few people might not see a problem with this but lets look at the exercise that is being performed and what muscle group is being worked. Aiding with your hands is not really beneficial to you legs why, because your legs are not doing all the work, if you are unable to perform an exercise properly with the amount of weight being used its to heavy, simple as that. In your case it was a matter of knee pain and hopefully you find that your recovery time is also quicker.

You might also see the same thing is people doing bicep curl in which they arm their back and swing their shoulder. They are no longer isolating the bicep but instead aiding with other groups of muscles.
Most definiteley, I always notice people slacking and cheating so to say. I haven't always been the way I am about form and technique. I am 24 now and technique and form will effect how long i can continue this hobby, So i am planning on perfect form and technique on everything i work out. I can bench alot more than i do, i am just waiting to get the perfect form and then i will bump up the weight in that department as well

I never felt a pain in my knee or felt like i needed anyother body part to help push up. I did not have my lower back against the pad like it should have been though, I think I might have been using lower back for the thrust motion. someone at the gym pointed that out as they watched me perform
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 03-10-2007, 09:37 PM
Sportsmedjosh's Avatar
Sportsmedjosh Sportsmedjosh is offline
Administrator
Administrator
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 2,583
Sportsmedjosh has disabled reputation
Default

Glad to hear your working on your form.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

 
Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT. The time now is 08:41 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0 Release Candidate 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises