12-04-2006, 06:03 AM
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pgHT?
anyone have any experience with this stuff?
http://www.universalkits.com/univers...a-prd-298.html I hate pills (can't swallow for shit) and most powders do a number on my stomach... so looking at this as an alternative product. looks like its a cream that works by seeping in through the blood stream.         
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12-04-2006, 06:17 AM
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intresting claims I can see how it would work if it truly was 100% HGH but I'll look into it more. Are you looking to decrease weight or increase mass.
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12-04-2006, 06:21 AM
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i'm a pretty big guy and farily well built, but its covered up by a lot of fat.
i'd like to loose a lot of fat over the next couple months. my lifting has been focusing on cutting/toning with hi reps, low weight, and some cardio/jogging/etc. i'm 6'1, 265 lbs. I don't look it, but i am.... 
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12-04-2006, 06:24 AM
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I like the concept...but that's about it.
By doing a basic search on PubMed I found out the following things: Regarding the products claim for improving skin Raschke et al. in 2004 found the following: Application of 3% ascorbic acid in a 12-week placebo-controlled usage study indicated a significant reduction of facial wrinkles. Altogether, 3% ascorbic acid in a cosmetic O/W emulsion has been shown to be appropriately stable and to enable a good release of the active agent in vitro as a precondition for a high efficacy in vivo. Application in vivo resulted in a significant reduction of oxidative stress in the skin, an improvement of the epidermal-dermal microstructure and a reduction of fine lines and wrinkles in aged skin. These results were received within a relatively short period of time of product application. Regarding the products claim on muscle mass restoring Ben-Galim et al. found the following in 1980: Topical application of 5% testosterone cream for 21 days resulted in enlargement of the penis to normal size for age in five boys with normal XY karyotype who had microphallus and hypopituitarism. In four patients, testosterone cream was applied locally to the penis and in one to an area of skin in the right axilla. Serum testosterone values rose from infantile levels before the start of therapy to normal adult male levels on the last day of treatment. All patients were receiving human growth hormone at the time of therapy with testosterone. No additional acceleration of linear growth and no advance in osseous maturation occurred during or after treatment. Application of testosterone locally for this brief period is a safe, effective, and simple means of stimulating phallic growth. Our findings suggest that topical testosterone causes penile growth predominantly through its systemic action. As for Secondary Sources, this review sums it all up nicely. Sports Med. 2003;33(12): 921-39. Popular sports supplements and ergogenic aids. Juhn M. Department of Family Medicine, University of Washington School of Medicine, Seattle, Washington, USA. This article reviews the evidence-based ergogenic potential and adverse effects of 14 of the most common products in use by recreational and elite athletes today. Both legal and prohibited products are discussed. This is an aggressively marketed and controversial area of sports medicine worldwide. It is therefore prudent for the clinician to be well versed in the more popular supplements and drugs reputed to be ergogenic in order to distinguish fact from fiction.Antioxidants, proteins and amino acids are essential components of diet, but additional oral supplementation does not increase endurance or strength. Caffeine is ergogenic in certain aerobic activities. Creatine is ergogenic in repetitive anaerobic cycling sprints but not running or swimming. Ephedrine and pseudoephedrine may be ergogenic but have detrimental cardiovascular effects. Erythropoietin is ergogenic but increases the risk of thromboembolic events. beta-Hydroxy-beta-methylbutyrate has ergogenic potential in untrained individuals, but studies are needed on trained individuals. Human growth hormone and insulin growth factor-I decrease body fat and may increase lean muscle mass when given subcutaneously. Pyruvate is not ergogenic. The androgenic precursors androstenedione and dehydroepiandrosterone have not been shown to increase any parameters of strength and have potentially significant adverse effects. Anabolic steroids increase protein synthesis and muscle mass but with many adverse effects, some irreversible. Supplement claims on labels of product content and efficacy can be inaccurate and misleading.
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12-04-2006, 06:33 AM
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I tried searching for HGH and any scientific evidence supporting its use as "a fat killer" but nothing so far. I will look again tomorrow and do a deeper search, but as of now, only some of the products claims are supported through scientific data that is unrelated to the product itself.
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12-04-2006, 04:07 PM
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If you want a good GH stimulator, go with somatomax by HTP. Its seriously my favorite product in the store. You take it about 45 mins prior to bedtime, 4 hours of sleep will feel like 8. When you wake up you'll feel completely refreshed and you'll notice a performance increase in the gym. It definately helped me lean out while putting on some muscle. It doesnt taste very good but i still love it!
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12-04-2006, 04:19 PM
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12-04-2006, 04:46 PM
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12-04-2006, 04:58 PM
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i just read all that, and it sounds exactly what i'm looking for....
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i think i may give this a try anyway. I wonder if GNC in town sells this. don't feel like waiting for shipping.
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12-04-2006, 05:15 PM
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12-04-2006, 05:17 PM
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12-04-2006, 08:03 PM
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